Post by harleydales on May 10, 2011 10:36:50 GMT -1
Or full name Acetyl L Carnitine? Athletes use it for tissue/muscle function and fat busting, it's also good for mental stimulation and for minimising tissue damage, and as an anit-aging thing.
A lot of people with EPSM horses like Harley use it, so I've started him on it as he's not so keen on the oil now that the grass is here - you can see his point really! Some folk manage to get their horses totally off the oil when they use ALCAR - which would be great for the summer at least!
It's difficult to say how he's doing really - he's not put on much muscle and is much narrower in the chest than he used to be (used to have BULGING pecs!), but is happy in his head, and enjoying hacking out, though he's no stamina. I had him out in company the other day and he was moderately bolshy, as opposed to his previous VERY bolshy - but I was happy he was even slightly bolshy!
3 things I have noticed on the new diet though - he's nowhere near as 'footie' as he was - he's always barefoot in the winter and used to grumble a bit about hard stony tracks, but doesn't bat an eye now. The other thing is his canter has become much bouncier and upright - he used to lumber along in canter with his head down but not any more! And his skin/coat/mane and tail are glorious with all the oil!!
I've come across it as one of the gazillion and one things rumoured to help CFS people. I've not tried it though as there's just too many things to even start trying to afford them all.
Mind you, if it's helping Harley I may well revisit the idea.
I think it sounds as if you've reached a good balance with him, he may never muscle up properly again but he sounds healthy and happy and able to go out and enjoy himself. I know exactly what you mean about being pleased to see the bolshy side again
Someone on the Yahoo site suggested we try this as, even tho the oil HAS made a difference he just seems to be missing that last push for "normality". From reading bits, it seems to be a powdered feed that you give spring & autumn to help the system deal with high sugar/carbs. not a long term fix?
Post by flintfootfilly on Jun 11, 2013 7:56:28 GMT -1
There's quite a useful and relatively brief summary of what acetyl L carnitine (ALCAR)is on the free EPSM yahoo group's files. It's just a one page summary of what it is, how it works and suggested dose.
I tried it on Max (who has muscle problems resulting in his blood CK levels being 10X higher than normal, but who tested negative for type 1 EPSM on a hair sample, and whose biopsy did not reveal any abnormal glycogen deposits - my suspicion is still that it was a long term selenium deficiency). I used it for about a month and noticed no difference at all, so discontinued it as others on the EPSM group seem to notice a difference within a few days if there's going to be a difference.
I read that they have to be OFF the oil before starting this; is that right? How long after stopping the oil did you 1st try the Alcar?
I'm having difficulty with Doc at the moment after he's had turnout (10hrs muzzled), he's coming in with hind end spasms, locking stifle, fidgety, doesn't want to be touched then stabled overnight & he's fine. I'm now experimenting with stabled 24hrs & worked 2x a day.