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Post by wdf on Sept 16, 2009 7:59:26 GMT -1
Well we went to the vets yesterday with a fetlock problem and came back with stress induced lami  The vets now won't investigate his fetlock lameness until the lami has gone  I feel awful as I'm REALLY vigilant with my ponios as they put weight on breathing let alone eating SO for Doc to have an attack NOT from overendulgence - I'm GUTTED!  Vets have said NOT to give adlib hay and for him to only have 2 sections over 24hrs and he's to be left with nothing for as long as possible - that doesn't sound enough at all to me and i thought horse's shouldnt be left not eating for MAX 5 hours  Any info/guidance would be greatly appreciated  |
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Post by harveydales on Sept 16, 2009 10:40:57 GMT -1
Oh no, that's dreadful!  I really can't see the logic in restricting his hay at all for stress induced lami. Is he overwight and maybe the stress just pushed him over the limit? Even if this is the case he still needs the fibre going through his system, just be sure it's low in sugars by soaking it and feed small amounts often. Why not have another word with your vet - this simply doesn't make sense. There's a lot of info on managing lami in certan threads in this forum plus links to other useful web sites. Fingers crossed he makes a quick recovery. |
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Post by valerie n scout on Sept 16, 2009 10:58:11 GMT -1
mmm I dont how "starving" him will help I suppose the Vet knows what he is doin !
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Post by wdf on Sept 16, 2009 12:37:33 GMT -1
overwight and maybe the stress just pushed him over the limit? Even if this is the case he still needs the fibre going through his system I'd say that was it myself; since he's been lame from his fetlock sprain I've obviously not worked him BUT he has been on a restricted diet & turnout in an attempt to combat the weight issue and it's slowly been coming down. Mine normally have wet hay anyway BUT as of last night I've started soaking Doc's and as of today he's had soaked (approx 12hr soaking); I can't give him only 2 so I'm going to try & get away with 3 and see how he goes. |
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Post by Debbie on Sept 16, 2009 13:39:36 GMT -1
 I'm another who thinks that's not right giving just two sections. I know he's overweight, but that will send his body into a starvation mode, not help it any. You don't need him even more stressed. Cripes you can't win with this lami gamble 
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Post by wdf on Sept 16, 2009 13:40:44 GMT -1
Vet also said that when they come out to check on the "L" next week (not fetlock!) they won't be seeing him trot out just checking his pulse . . . . . . TBH i don't check my two's pulses so i couldn't say what WAS normal for them SO how will the vet???
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Post by harleydales on Sept 16, 2009 18:51:37 GMT -1
He should have checked them today. You could check them tomorrow and see what they are, then keep checking them every day.
I had a Shetland who kept getting stress lami because Harley fancied him and used to chase him round the field.
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Post by harveydales on Sept 16, 2009 19:19:57 GMT -1
Vet also said that when they come out to check on the "L" next week (not fetlock!) they won't be seeing him trot out just checking his pulse . . . . . . TBH i don't check my two's pulses so i couldn't say what WAS normal for them SO how will the vet??? That's a good point and is why I am a bit neurotic checking my lot's pulses regularly. I know when I can just about feel Harvey's pulse without trying too hard then I need to be careful and restrict him. It's important to know what is normal for each individual horse and also to check at the same time each day because it does vary with time of day. Also they will be higher in warm temperatures and when they come in from the field or after exersise. When they have real laminitis the pulses are very strong and obvious. It is the borderline cases where it isn't so easy to tell. |
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Post by zeldalithgow on Sept 16, 2009 19:20:50 GMT -1
I thought that reducing the food intake too dramatically could cause hyperlipidaemia
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Post by wdf on Sept 18, 2009 12:39:46 GMT -1
I can't get the link to work BUT there are a several liveries where i am now who have laminitics and THREE of them have had a feel of Doc . . . . not one of them can find a pulse The vets due out on Tues so I'm going to ask her to explain WHY she said he's got Lami I've spoken to Dengie today who have told me that the small amount of Good-Do-er I DO feed would not make any difference BUT to change over to Hi-Fi Lite in the long run & add in a suppliment, would I need something like Topspec Anti-Lam / Blue Chip Lami Lite or would something else surfice |
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Post by southerner on Sept 18, 2009 16:44:55 GMT -1
I would put him on glocal herbs restore or lami prone supplement at a high dosage to flush out any toxins floating about, put him on a vit supplement but personally would not use use bluechip etc but something like benevit, soak all hay for minimum of 12 hours and feed max 1.5% bodyweight in lots of smal feeds or double layered small holed haynet, mix thoroughly with good quality straw if you can get it. If you can't feel a pulse there may not be one, tthey can come and go in my experience depending on the stage they are at, if you catch it quick, the pulse can go fast, which hopefully means less damage. My friends pony gets stress laminitis and it can come and go in a day or two - most odd - but she has pulse and sore feet for a day or two, improves loads, goes on even more of a diet, is fine, then does it again - very odd cycle. www.laminitisclinic.org/Explaining%20Laminitis%20and%20its%20Prevention/Chapter%205.pdf |
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Post by wdf on Oct 1, 2009 8:48:38 GMT -1
UPDATEDoc's behaving FAR better than i ever expected and he must be feeling alot better as he's started racing round the stable, attacking his hung up rugs and biting again  Me & three other liveries (all have quite bad lami's) CAN'T find any pulse yet the vet says he DOES anyway; we're to have another check in two weeks where "fingerscrossed" he'll be able to have some in-hand grazing and do controlled walking in preparation for turn-out in another two weeks (totalling 6weeks in) All in all he's being a  and I'm hoping this lami episode is just a one off from him travelling with a bad fetlock, only time will tell
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Post by Debbie on Oct 1, 2009 12:50:14 GMT -1
Okay, this is going to sound a stupid question, but you say three owners of lami ponies cannot find a pulse in Doc, yet the vet can..... the vet isn't inexperienced, is he?? Is he feeling his own pulse as he goes to check for Doc's?? I'll keep fingers crossed you can safely make the transition to handgrazing and that Doc behaves so you can get this lameness issue totally resolved.  |
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Post by wdf on Oct 1, 2009 13:51:49 GMT -1
three owners of lami ponies cannot find a pulse in Doc, yet the vet can..... I've questioned the vet TWICE now and put my fingers mm perfect to hers and i STILL couldn't feel anything - she said that it was because I was inexperienced at feeling for lami pulses  |
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Post by harveydales on Oct 1, 2009 19:22:46 GMT -1
Well I'm normally super sensitive at feeling pulses and yet today I couldn't detect one in a horse who has supposedly got a foot abscess. |
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I'm another who thinks that's not right giving just two sections. I know he's overweight, but that will send his body into a starvation mode, not help it any. You don't need him even more stressed. 
