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Post by The Moo on Mar 21, 2012 12:44:01 GMT -1
So if I've been following the worm count system and having negative results what would be the best wormer to worm with at this very minute to kill any worms, eggs, larvae etc which may have gone un-counted.
There are so many on the market these days and most seem to exclude something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 12:47:16 GMT -1
We tape worm in April and Equest/pramox in December, but it depends on when your last count was, if was more than 3 months ago, then you need to do another count now and that will determine wether you will pramox or just tapeworm.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 13:19:17 GMT -1
If your worried yours may have pin worm, you need to do the selotape test which Westgate labs do for free, then they can advice on what to use.
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Post by harveydales on Mar 21, 2012 15:13:55 GMT -1
I had a long chat with "our Kristie" at Westgate today and she was very informative and helpful. I am now a pinworm expert. ;D Apparently pinworm infestations are becoming more and more common, maybe due to the fact that we now have powerful wormers so our horses no longer have roundworms etc ie nothing to keep the pinworms in check.
There is no nee for me to do another selotape test as I know we've got pinworm - I've seen lots of them! It maybe it is only Dolly who has the infestation as some horses are resistant to them but I will treat all 4 ponies to try and break the cycle.
The newer wormers like Equest do kill pinworm but are not as effective as the older wormers like Panacur Equine Guard or Strongid so I will use one of those.
Dolly wasn't bum itching so it was only because I saw the actual adult pinworms in her poo that I knew she had them. AS for whhat wormer to use at this time of year, normally I would worm for tape worm in April. Then around Christmas time with something like Equest which will get the encysted redworms. Providing my worm counts have come back clear, that is all the worming I did and I think I will continue that way unless I get pinworm problems again, in which case I will use Panacur Equine Guard.
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Post by Tynedale on Mar 21, 2012 18:17:59 GMT -1
Every Dec/Jan time we worm ours with a 5 day course of Panacur 10% for horses bought from Hyperdrug, a cheaper option than Panacur Equine Guard when you have a few to worm.
Think it's about £50 a litre, so if you have four to worm you will still have a bit left over for a later date.
Glad you have found out what they are anyway!
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Post by harveydales on Mar 21, 2012 20:02:25 GMT -1
Every Dec/Jan time we worm ours with a 5 day course of Panacur 10% for horses bought from Hyperdrug, a cheaper option than Panacur Equine Guard when you have a few to worm. Think it's about £50 a litre, so if you have four to worm you will still have a bit left over for a later date. Glad you have found out what they are anyway! Thanks, that's good to know.  |
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Post by SuzieP on Mar 21, 2012 20:59:11 GMT -1
I'm so glad you've got to the bottom of this (sorry, no pun intended!). It must have been such a worry for you.
May I share this info with Gill at my yard? I showed her the pics you took and asked if she'd seen anything like it - and in all her many years' experience, she hadn't. Nor did she know that bum-scratching can be a symptom of pinworm.
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Post by harveydales on Mar 22, 2012 6:03:53 GMT -1
I'm so glad you've got to the bottom of this (sorry, no pun intended!). It must have been such a worry for you. May I share this info with Gill at my yard? I showed her the pics you took and asked if she'd seen anything like it - and in all her many years' experience, she hadn't. Nor did she know that bum-scratching can be a symptom of pinworm. Sue of course you can share this with any one. I've posted all of the saga in the hope it will inform and help others, especially as there has been a huge increase in pinworm infestations according to Westgate. |
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Post by heathera on Mar 24, 2012 11:57:17 GMT -1
Many thanks for posting this. I've now narrowed down that it was, indeed, pinworm that mine had. We used the 10% five day panacur for encysted redworm recently (2 litre container from the vets and will keep for 12 months so will give me this spring and next spring) and the pinworms and itchy bums have disappeared too  One thing to watch with the panacur is that there is a lot of resistance to it in some areas so you might want to worm with it when you have a horse that you know needs doing from their egg count, then retest a couple of weeks later to make sure it's been effective. I'll now egg count mine at the end of April and worm any that need it before moving them onto the summer grazing. |
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Post by harveydales on Mar 24, 2012 15:52:46 GMT -1
Glad the Panacure Equin Guard worked for you. Hope it clears it up for me too.
Yesterday I washed Harvey, Lillie today and me and Andy electrified all rubbing areas. Tomorrow it is Dolly and Frankie's turn. Hopefully this will break the cycle.
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Post by harveydales on Mar 26, 2012 9:28:53 GMT -1
I can report that Panacure Equine Guard is very effective for pinworms. I'm on day 3 of the 5 day course and this morning thre were LOADS of dead pinworms in Frankie's and Dolly's droppings, just one in Lillie's and none in Harvey's. Harvey has been kept separate from the others so not suprising he isn't suffering with pinworms.
This has been a real education for me. I've always been very hot on poo picking and have regular worm counts done which always come back negative. I always worm any new comers to the herc before letting them mix together but in recent years I've used the modern more powerful wormers rather than the ones like Panacur which some red and round worms are said to be resistant to.
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Post by zeldalithgow on Mar 26, 2012 9:46:00 GMT -1
That's really interesting Pam like you I've steered clear of the 5 day Panacur since I was told it was more or less useless as there was so much resistance to it, I may have to reconsider
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Post by katiekynoch on Apr 2, 2012 8:07:28 GMT -1
Thanks for this very informative post. Like many of you I am a very avid poo-picker (usually daily but I've only the one horse so it's not such a difficult task as it would be for those of you with a herd to tend to!)
I've been using Westgate Labs for around three years now and have been pleased with their service. Even though the egg counts have been >50 epg with the rider "no eggs seen" I have still tended to give Equimax or Pramox twice a year to cover the tapeworm element. After administration I have often seen small worms (? redworm) in usually just one of the following day's poo piles but never anything like the worm in the pic.
As he does occasionally attempt to rub his rump, in the light of this post I am now getting suspicious about pinworm so will be trying the sellotape test and giving serious thought to Panacur Equine Guard.
Thanks again for this helpful post
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Post by harry12 on Apr 19, 2012 18:26:01 GMT -1
how often should u worm for pinworms then?
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Post by harveydales on Apr 20, 2012 5:13:30 GMT -1
how often should u worm for pinworms then? I think the thing to remember is that pinworms are not a problem to horses in the way roundworms or redworms are and if you are following a regular worming routine, pinworms should be covered too. If you rely on feacal egg counts and poo pick regularly then worming once a year with something like Panacur Equine Guard would be fine. Knowing what I know now, if I introduce a new pony to my herd I will use PEG before allowing ponies to mix rather than just the modern more powerful wormers. |
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