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Post by wdf on May 31, 2013 3:44:44 GMT -1
Since 10th April Doc's been doing ever so well on the new diet, flanks have "filled & softened", picking up feet with ease & just happier in himself . . . . UNTILL NOW  We've been in the same paddock for 4yrs now & after losing Shian I didn't think the yard owner would leave us where we were, thankfully she did for the winter with the intent of moving us to a smaller paddock for the summer. That time came last weekend and AS EXPECTED, Doc went round like something demented which in turn bought on azoturia episode, we then had the bright humid days turn into gale force winds & torrential rain which on a good day upsets him so when he's having an attack anyway  Now back to basics and walking in hand 30mins; I just feel SOOOO frustrated that we start getting somewhere for something out of my control knocks us back. |
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Post by harveydales on May 31, 2013 5:13:03 GMT -1
Oh no! I do hope ist's just a blip and he settles back soon. How frustrating and upsetting for you.
Strangely Harvey had an odd turn yesterday. I was going to post on here later today when I know how he is today. He came in yesterday morning and acted demented, desperate to itch himself. It was awful to watch. He had 2 hard oozing patches on his bum from rubbing and the tops of his rump were hot to touch. DOn't know whether it was an allergic reaction to midges, something he ate in the paddock now the grass is growing, reaction to the heavy rain or even fertilizer run off from an other field. My worry was that the way he was chucking himself around would bring on azoturia again. But he calmed down once we'd givin him a thorough shampooing on the advice of the vet. I rode him in the afternoon and he went fine. Fingers crossed.
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Post by wdf on May 31, 2013 6:38:21 GMT -1
Oh no! I do hope ist's just a blip and he settles back soon. How frustrating and upsetting for you. Strangely Harvey had an odd turn yesterday . . . . He came in yesterday morning and acted demented, desperate to itch himself . . . . . patches on his bum from rubbing Doc was like that Sept/Oct time, he rubbed himself raw  thankfully it settled over the winter & he hasn't rubbed he's backend AS YET! I'm SO disappointed, Doc was starting to look "normal" and now within a week he's backend looks like a hat rack again. I'd got some outings booked for us which I've had to cancel this weekends & are now unsure whether he'll be OK for the others - I've a rear facing box and getting him to turn into position is near impossible ATM. |
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Post by harleydales on Jun 1, 2013 21:39:46 GMT -1
Well this is interesting - I looked at Harley tonight and thought 'OK, so you're dropping your rump muscles again'. How odd that all 3 go wonky in some way at the same time!!
Our grass has really only just got going, so I'm blaming the sugars, even though he's on a sparse area of old rough grass.
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Post by harveydales on Jun 2, 2013 4:04:30 GMT -1
Yes, I'm blaming the grass too. This all ties in with the grass finally getting going. Harvey seems fine again but I have a pleasure ride this morning so fingers crossed.
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Post by cutemangurdi1 on Jun 2, 2013 18:06:59 GMT -1
Wurzel went mysteriously lame last Sunday. He has dropped weight and muscle in his rump. He looked like all four legs were splaying out and was walking like a Tennessee Walker!, very weird gait. He has been on box rest since as he also looks like he has pulled something near his shoulder and is as high as a kite. He is going to the vet hospital Tues to see if they can figure out what is going on.
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Post by harleydales on Jun 3, 2013 8:37:41 GMT -1
Might be worth mentioning EPSM Jacqui, they can do a hair sample to test for it. Don't be surprised if they dismiss it though! They dismissed it with Harley and I really had to push to get him tested
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Post by wdf on Jun 4, 2013 8:56:56 GMT -1
I can't remember where I read it (or may have imagined it!) . . . when the body is used to having fat/oil it should not react as much to sugars/carbs spikes; have you found that to be true at all  |
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Post by harleydales on Jun 5, 2013 8:02:43 GMT -1
Not sure - don't think I've heard that one!!
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Post by wdf on Jun 5, 2013 8:08:38 GMT -1
don't think I've heard that one!! Must have dreamt it  |
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Post by flintfootfilly on Jun 5, 2013 20:07:57 GMT -1
Not sure exactly what you mean by the body not reacting to sugarc/carb spikes, but I know that Dr Kellon (american vet who's very interested in nutritional stuff for horses, and who runs some online courses) says she sees a lot of horses/ponies who have been switched to a high fat diet and have become insulin resistant as a result of it. Is that what you are thinking of maybe?
Sarah
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Post by wdf on Jun 6, 2013 10:14:28 GMT -1
she sees a lot of horses/ponies who have been switched to a high fat diet and have become insulin resistant as a result of it. Is that what you are thinking of maybe? Sarah I don't really know what I was thinking; got it into my head I think that once you've retrained the body to search for energy from fat/oil it no longer sourced sugars so IF there were spikes it wouldn't adversly affect them. Like I said, wishfull thinking!  |
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Post by wdf on Jun 8, 2013 8:19:07 GMT -1
11 days after he's mild azoturia & I'm riding him at walk for 30mins twice a day (been walking in hand prior to this). What Iv'e found to be ODD is that he's far better 1st thing straight from the stable rather than when he's got in after he's 10hrs muzzled turnout - why would that be do you think  The paddock we've moved onto is shaded BUT has a slight gradient, would this slope be the problem? I'm a little confused why he's better to work after being in overnight with soaked hay over mooching in the field. Any ideas??? |
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Post by harveydales on Jun 8, 2013 10:15:01 GMT -1
I'm guessing it is to do with the sugars in the grass, even though he is muzzled. Harvey hasn't had an azotoria attack but since the grass started to come through I can see slight differences in him - he is more itchy and it's not just the midges, he wants me to massage him which is a sign he is slightly sore and although he comes in fine, he is definately looser after standing in a few hours than if I ride him straight away. He has no pulses - I'm checking them all religiously in case of lami.
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Post by harleydales on Jun 8, 2013 21:37:41 GMT -1
I think it will be the sugars too.
Harley has been v restricted this week and I upped the oil again - took him out tonight and got the most glorious punchy canter - absolutely amazing!
No idea if it is the additional oil, or the restricted grass....but I'm going to enjoy it while I've got it!
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thankfully it settled over the winter & he hasn't rubbed he's backend AS YET!
