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Post by SuzieP on Feb 21, 2008 6:35:15 GMT -1
This country is PC mad, Pam. Totally, utterly and completely crackers.....
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Post by zeldalithgow on Feb 21, 2008 8:20:37 GMT -1
Sue, I couldn't agree more!! Lucy, yes it was me thanks for that  |
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Post by rachelg on Feb 24, 2008 0:05:01 GMT -1
im just trying to imagine putting disabled access in my fields!!!!they are extremely steep!!! although i have to say i havent ever really had any bother with the council over our footpath,we have one huge path going from top to bottom,4 stiles,all a bit rickety,all extremely slippy,but then again the fields are so steep and the path very well walked its like a giant slide!!!!but no-one seems to be bothered!!i once asked for a replacement stile as each winter all the local kids come a sledge in my fields as they are the steepest and nearest,i couldnt possibly stop their fun they do love it,but as a result the fencing/stiles/walls sometimes get damaged so years ago when i asked for a replacement the chap came from the council brought me a free kit,for us to put in,but then commented that he had walked through with his dog (he lives locally) and a foal we had at the time had attacked it!!!fortunately no damage....i asked if the dog was on a lead? and he said no....so i asked if i could have some signs saying "keep your dog on a lead" he said there was no such law-rule...it is "keep your dog under control"  ?? woops i think it was my pony who wasnt under control!!!! anyway decided not to ask for anymore stiles and keep my head down!!!!! we do have problems with runners,walkers,and the conservation group who are always asking me to keep the ponies out of my top field because apparantly we have a rare flower!!!! heyo... |
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Post by PonyGirl on Feb 24, 2008 3:18:47 GMT -1
Do you have any hair? This would drive me totally mad.
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Post by felldale on Feb 24, 2008 7:29:07 GMT -1
My heart is sinking reading this.  We have just taken on a field with a public footpath running through it. I asked whether we could put up a sign asking people to keep their dogs on a lead and was told no. The ponies wait by the stile for me in the mornings and are really beginning to churn it up. I see trouble brewing........ |
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Post by greydales on Feb 24, 2008 8:20:04 GMT -1
Why on earth can't you put up a sign asking people to keep dogs on leads - aren't there loads of sheep around there? This country really makes me sick - all the time we have to bend over backwards for minority groups in the most ridiculous of situations (as all of yours are). These 'guidelines' that councils stick rigidly to are so laughable you couldn't make it up. It makes me want to emigrate .... Sorry but I am anti-PC and am not afraid to say so  |
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Post by SuzieP on Feb 24, 2008 8:43:02 GMT -1
I can't formulate a reply to this - I'm seething over the dog and Rachel's foal. I'm not totally anti-PC as I don't think there can be any place for prejudice or discrimination.....but I do agree with Gill.
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Post by harveydales on Feb 24, 2008 10:58:09 GMT -1
I'm at a loss for words too!  We do have a sign saying dogs must be on leads because the footpath runs right through our yard. No one has ever told us we can't have the sign and most walkers do obey it. |
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Post by valerie n scout on Feb 24, 2008 11:06:51 GMT -1
have just trawled my way through all your messages and cant believe the problems you have xx we have a foot path next to our field and often find bottles thrown in and people do also let there dogs poo in the field i find that when i poo pick and the odd person feeds the beasties which tick me off but its nothing like what you all have to put up with gosh i wish you all the best of luck with your dilemmas xxxxx i think the world is going mad i really do x
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Post by harveydales on Feb 24, 2008 13:07:25 GMT -1
Don't get me started on bottles................!
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Post by bevbob on Feb 24, 2008 13:28:11 GMT -1
Blimey! I cant believe all this, it must be soooo frustrating!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Debbie on Feb 24, 2008 15:10:30 GMT -1
Once is more than enough for a dog and chicken or dog and goat encounter.  I daresay they aren't bothered because they value the dog more than the livestock. Afterall, "a chicken only costs....." I don't care, that's my chicken, and I care for it not end up savaged by someone else's dog. Which is why my girls ended up installed inside a dog pen to keep the rotten strays out. As for the foal attacking the dog.... I'm sorry but if the man had had the dog on lead, he would have been able to get it to safety. The fact remains livestock and most dogs clash. And most walkers haven't a clue and don't care a fig that what they feed the animals might kill them. Although I can understand creating and maintaining civic walking paths (we have this running through numerous conservation areas in the US), I do not agree with Joe Public having access to someone's fields. Livestock and the Public tends to be a clash, with the livestock coming out the worse for wear. |
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Post by SuzieP on Feb 24, 2008 15:46:45 GMT -1
We have fairly recently legislation, Debbie, which introduced the "right to roam". This basically means that the public now have the right to access the countryside. There is limited protection for landowners, but not a lot.
What hasn't been introduced, alongside the "right to roam" is legislation around "the responsibilities of roamers" and until rights and responsibilities go hand in hand the countryside will continue to be invaded by people who don't understand it or the people who live and work it.
I'm not lumping all walkers together in this - the serious walkers are responsible and cognisant of the issues involved, and appreciate that landowners have allowed them access. But there is always the element that walk roughshod (literally) across the land, the needs of the land and those of the farmers.
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Post by nars on Feb 24, 2008 16:11:18 GMT -1
It's a shame you can't get out a b****y shotgun and teach them a lesson at times- yes I know, that's very un PC of me!
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Post by lucydales on Feb 24, 2008 16:14:46 GMT -1
"Right to Roam" (I believe) only applies to big open spaces (moors, etc) not privately owned enclosed farm land, however it is not well publicised! I don't believe anyone is allowed on my land other than on the footpath.
With respect to dogs, they must be "under control" and should not stray off the foot path which is only about a metre wide so unless they are obedience trained or on leads they are unlikely to comply!! Some councils do stipulate dogs should be on leads. I strongly recommend getting your councils definition of "under control" and putting this up on a notice, you can always say unless your dog will keep to the footpath please keep it on a lead, or some such words.
Have an internet trawl and see what it comes up with for your area.
I think you can get a temporary closure notice for footpaths if you have foalies due/born but need to do a bit more digging on this one.
Footpaths are definitely a problem!
If I've got any of this wrong, sorry, it's my general understanding that's all! Fell free to correct me! LOL!
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?? woops i think it was my pony who wasnt under control!!!! anyway decided not to ask for anymore stiles and keep my head down!!!!! we do have problems with runners,walkers,and the conservation group who are always asking me to keep the ponies out of my top field because apparantly we have a rare flower!!!!
We have just taken on a field with a public footpath running through it. I asked whether we could put up a sign asking people to keep their dogs on a lead and was told no. The ponies wait by the stile for me in the mornings and are really beginning to churn it up. I see trouble brewing........ 
I daresay they aren't bothered because they value the dog more than the livestock. Afterall, "a chicken only costs....." I don't care, that's my chicken, and I care for it not end up savaged by someone else's dog. Which is why my girls ended up installed inside a dog pen to keep the rotten strays out.