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Post by jakesmum on Aug 31, 2006 8:56:14 GMT -1
hmm will remember the hock thing when you are out judging norma  |
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Post by anna85 on Aug 31, 2006 9:10:03 GMT -1
Definatly agree there Norma, I hate seeing animals that can't use their back end, something i've noticed is very commen in a lot of the welsh world (but those that do use all four are rewarded on the whole). No good judge will put up a horse that is stiff or dragging their behind anyway and no horse is perfect thats for sure, it would be very boring if they all were  Anna |
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Post by DalesLady on Aug 31, 2006 9:32:42 GMT -1
This is another one of those emotive subjects isnt it? The operative words in the comments above are "good judge" - all I ask is that a judge is fair. All the rest, should go without saying. A fit pony should be placed over a fat one, a good mover over a poor one, but we all have to remember any animal can be good one day under a particular judge but not necessarily another day under the same or any other judge. Our ponies are like us, they too have their off days!
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Post by anna85 on Aug 31, 2006 10:05:00 GMT -1
I think you've hit the nail on the head Penny. A fair judge is a much better term.
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Post by rebeccajane on Aug 31, 2006 20:02:09 GMT -1
Ok (Devils advocate I know) - but if a Dales pony is supposed to be judged from the feet up then as anna85 says round bone is out - the standard is flat flinty bone, - but the standard also says ''ACTION: Clean, high, straight and true. Going forward on “all fours” with tremendous energy. The knee and hock are lifted, the hindlegs flexed well under the body for powerful drive. " So it is equally if not more important that the pony dosn't dish or plait - why am I seeing ponies placed who do this - even at the big shows?-
It seems to me that the ''show'' is more imortant than the breed standard for some judges.
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Post by anna85 on Aug 31, 2006 20:23:04 GMT -1
I think we must go to different shows RJ because its a long time since I've seen a Dales plait and do well (i did however see a stunnig example of plaiting in the private driving at p(UK) the other week), I know of a couple that dish but its then how the judge prioritises different aspects, those that i've seen dish are exceptional dales in other aspects of the standard.
There is the breed standard which is vital in showing but its fair to say everyone has a different interpretation what each of the points in the standard mean and what the perfect dales should look like; like there are so many different lines, they all look different and there are some that to me are much closer to my idea of a perfect dales than others but to other people the ones i'm notso keen on are their idea (and from their interpretation of the breed standard) of the dales pony.
Also it must surely depend on what else is in the ring, if there is a very nice horse with good bone, good action but turns a foot slightly and then 4 ponies that are just mediocre. What do you place where?
Ok, playing devils advocate back....What about those ponies that aren't up to breed standard as far as markings go? They don't meet the breed standard in the markings section but many see it as a lesser 'offence' than a pony that doesn't fit the action section of the breed standard? Judges have to prioritise the things they see as make up their ideal Dales pony and different judges will have different priorities.
An ideal Dales pony would fit the breed standard exactly but as said this never ever happens, the judge just has to assess whats in front of them on the day.
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Post by rebeccajane on Sept 1, 2006 5:54:47 GMT -1
White markings IMO the registration system of Dales ponies allready deals with this. - So admittedly a section A who is as good as but not better than a section B will allways be placed above it, just as one would expect a stallion to be placed above a gelding of a similar standard - this is all about promoting the best of a breed and there is no point in promoting a gelding (not much point in promoting some mares as they will never be bred from - but thats another subject  However a section pony who moves good and straight down the line to a section A who dishes - since as you say no judge would ever put one up that plaits - is criminal as far as the breed is concerned - there are few enough Dales ponies and as you say the show ring is your advertisement billboard - we should not be promoting ponies that dont move straight as prime examples of the breed. We should be advertising ponies that are able to be judged as a Dales pony - a working breed capable of a days work in the field as well as few days hunting, and as we all know ponies with faulty action are more prone to injury and less able to sustain hard work - something a few white hairs in he wrong place never stopped them doing. |
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Post by anna85 on Sept 1, 2006 6:20:22 GMT -1
Definatly agree there Rebecca over the white/dish. I don't think anyone will disagree a good section B can easily beat a bad section A anyday, again its about the complete picture. I was just interested in other peoples thoughts and it was a good example to emphasise my point that different parts of the breed standard carry different emphasis in a judges decision.
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Post by stonefoldponies on Sept 7, 2006 15:37:49 GMT -1
There were actually only five forward in the D/F/H Olympia qual, I was stewarding and the dales pony entered for the Kingsford was actually me so there were no dales in that either.
Very Dissapointing indeed, when you consider that this show is held in Yorkshire. Think that the low entries were due to the show being on, on a bank hol and at the same time as another three shows up north.(and thats just what I know of). Maybe this will change?
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Post by tinkerdorisalison on Sept 7, 2006 20:06:32 GMT -1
What if we could get the performance show back to the Yorkshire Show Ground? - Then more people might stay over and enter???
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Post by lancslass on Sept 7, 2006 20:56:32 GMT -1
now that sounds a fantastic idea alison! i would be up for that. travel up and stay over.
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Post by DalesLady on Sept 8, 2006 6:33:31 GMT -1
So would we. It could be fun! Lots of Pimms eh Karen?
Seriously, that is a good idea, but wasn't it the cost of the Yorkshire Showground which made holding the PS there difficult?
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Post by lancslass on Sept 8, 2006 8:20:49 GMT -1
you really wouldn't want to see me after lots of pimms penny...........eh norma!!! LOL LOL and colin gets the bouts of mistaken identity!!! ROFL
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Post by manorian on Sept 8, 2006 9:09:25 GMT -1
That would be a great idea. It is very expensive to hire Penny and that was why they moved originally. The DPS could apply for a grant though because the ponies are rare and from the area.
You look alright to me Karen....but then I may not have been looking straight!! LOL. There wouldn't be too many for Colin to hit on the head!! LOL
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Post by vjjjebony on Sept 8, 2006 11:12:59 GMT -1
It would be wonderfull to have the performance show at the yorks showground again. but girls the last time we had a quote from them for the performance show day (at least 5 yrs ago) the basic rent for the day was over £1000. then we had to pay extra for st johns, speaker system, etc etc.
As the performance show would need at least £700 + as a grant I feel that this is realy not on to ask people for the huge shortfall.
Also the Yorks showground did not want us there! they made that quite clear. We had no choice but to move.
Many people came to both shows and made a weekend of it and it was great...
Valerie.
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