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Post by wdf on May 28, 2009 6:25:12 GMT -1
If its not one thing its another! I "think" Doc has now got 2 sarcoids  i initially thought they were bites but 3 weeks later and their still there but there's no change in them. When i had the vet out to Sian for the Dectomax jab i got her to have a quick look at him and she said not to worry and to keep an eye on them and to start him on Global herbs "Sarc X", she noticed I'd got some Camarosa and said to put that on too. Can anyone give advise on how long to wait, is there any other treatment out there other than the Liverpool cream  any info would be appreciated  |
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Post by zeldalithgow on May 28, 2009 20:38:25 GMT -1
Prince had one about 10 years ago, I used Camrosa, it worked took a while and it did go a bit yukky during the treatment it hasn't come back so far.
I know some people don't like Camrosa and it shouldn't be used on some sarcoids so I've heard
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Post by nars on May 28, 2009 20:45:33 GMT -1
Some people have success with homeopthic creams. personally, I've tried the Liverpool cream- pary depends on the type of sarcoid- Derek Knottenbelt was very helpful ) and eventually opted for surgery to cut them out as they were in the armpits and causing problems for Malc.
The op ws a success, but left Malc a bit needle shy with all the messing about. He was very sore with both treatments.
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Post by harveydales on May 29, 2009 5:57:20 GMT -1
If they are very small and not causing any problems I would wait a bit and keep an eye on them. You do need to keep flies away if you can because it is though that they can be spread by biting flies. Trying Sarc-X or similar can't do any harm and may help. If they start to grow at all then it's best to get them treated before they get large and troublesome. Very difficult because in some horses they seem to spread quickly and others just get one or 2 small ones which never change at all. I believe it is more worrysome if they start getting them when they are young and also stress can make them more susceptible so good idea to keep the immune system boosted. I've had 3 horses who developed a couple of small sarcoids. The first horse, Emma, had her sarcoid removed surgically and it never re-occurred. Quest developed one which I treated homeopathically and it "burst out" and went but another one came a year later. That one remained small and I never treated it. He had it all his life with no probs. Harvey developed a tiny one on his sheath some years ago. The vet got me to treat it with wart cream. It went and never came back. Editing to say that when Harvey first got his, I was in email contact with Derek Knottenbelt at Liverpool Uni. He was very supportive and helpful. I sent him pics of Harvey's sarcoid and he gave me advice. Lots of info if you google him/sarcoids but some of it rather frightening. www.vetcontact.com/DE/_content/sarcoid/sarcoid.pdf |
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Post by jay on May 29, 2009 7:38:56 GMT -1
Harvey developed a tiny one on his sheath some years ago. The vet got me to treat it with wart cream. It went and never came back. Pam, could I ask which cream it was that you used? Jay had a 'wart' on his sheath approx 8 years ago. The vet was unsure if it was a sarcoid or not, but suspected it might have been and said he would be likely to get others. She removed it by putting a band around it and it dropped off a few days later. He'd had nothing since so I'd assumed it must have just been a wart and not a sarcoid. But the other day I noticed he has another. From what i can remember its in the same place, if not very close to where the last one was, but this time it seems as though there's a bit more to it under the skin rather than it being very superficial. I'll get the vet to take a look at it just to be on the safe side, but i'm just wondering whether to try a cream first. |
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Post by Rowndan on May 29, 2009 11:04:40 GMT -1
My horse dan had several sarcoids, the first started right on his tummy where his girth went. i had that one frozen off, but the scab fell off and it was still there, it was then treated with liverpool cream and it went and just left a small bald patch. i thought the vets that treated it made a really poor job and my poor dan was messed about and was very sore. He then developed serveral more, on the folds of skin at the tops of his front legs, one on his tummy,and several between his back legs and on his sheath. im pretty sure they were all spread my flies that opeded up the one on his tummy. i now have a really good vet and dan had them all treated with liverpool cream.the treatment was very sucessful and they have all now gone. the treatment wasnt nice and dan was very sore but he did have strong painkillers which really helped him. this is the thread i did when he was having treatment bit horrible but there is nothing there now and you would never know he had them. dalesfans.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=vet&action=display&thread=11216i give him garlic every day now to try and keep the flies away from him, he does stink of it but does work very well |
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Post by harveydales on May 29, 2009 11:53:15 GMT -1
Harvey developed a tiny one on his sheath some years ago. The vet got me to treat it with wart cream. It went and never came back. Pam, could I ask which cream it was that you used? Jay had a 'wart' on his sheath approx 8 years ago. The vet was unsure if it was a sarcoid or not, but suspected it might have been and said he would be likely to get others. She removed it by putting a band around it and it dropped off a few days later. He'd had nothing since so I'd assumed it must have just been a wart and not a sarcoid. But the other day I noticed he has another. From what i can remember its in the same place, if not very close to where the last one was, but this time it seems as though there's a bit more to it under the skin rather than it being very superficial. I'll get the vet to take a look at it just to be on the safe side, but i'm just wondering whether to try a cream first. Ren, it was a human wart cream he gave me. I can find out the name if you want. He said to try this and if it didn't work he would freeze it off as it was tiny and in a suitable area for freezing. However, other vets say best to go straight in with Liverpool cream as messing about with other less radical treatments can make matters worse. But it worked for me and I would do it again if it came back. |
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Post by wdf on May 29, 2009 18:20:57 GMT -1
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Post by wdf on May 29, 2009 18:34:48 GMT -1
My horse dan had several sarcoids, this is the thread i did when he was having treatment Howz Dan now? is he Sarcoid free? do you feed any special suppliments now other than the garlic? |
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Post by cadeby on May 30, 2009 17:31:01 GMT -1
No experience of sarcoids personally, but my friend had them removed from her Haflinger by freezing- he had them on his girth so couldn't be ridden. It was expensive but successful. However, they regrew in a different site on his chest two years later. Another friend used thuja cream and tablets which worked on her shire cross, who just had a few of the occult form. The vet I used to work for said that sarcoids are more common in heavy horses and cobby pony breeds, but I don't know if this is speculation or fact? Hope you get Doc sorted. Pam's link is very interesting  |
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Post by Rowndan on May 30, 2009 21:23:50 GMT -1
My dan is fine now, they have all completely gone you would never know he had them, he does have a small lump under he skin on his sheath though! im going to get my vet to have a look when he comes. The only supplement he has is garlic to keep the flies away from him.
if your worried get the vet out to have a look, if its changing, try and keep the flies of it as they will open it up. i used to put multicare on dans to keep the flies of him
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Post by wdf on Jun 1, 2009 6:58:03 GMT -1
[/img] [/quote] Ive looked at Thuja, I think I may try this before we go down the vet route as IF (hopefully not!) he got another I'd have to pay for the vet treatment as insurance will only cover one claim Ive also read on different sites that the sarcoid WILL change whilst being treated and that they "grow out and fall off" - is that true |
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Post by wdf on Jun 1, 2009 7:01:38 GMT -1
The only supplement he has is garlic to keep the flies away from him. xx Brewers yeast "supposed" to repel flies too If i go down the Thuja route Im told that Garlic can't be used as it reacts with it so not sure whether to try the yeast as a cheaper version to Marmite (which mine absolutely LOVE!) |
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Post by Rowndan on Jun 1, 2009 10:44:58 GMT -1
what do you mean about the sarcoid changing with treatment?? dans sarcoids were big scabby lumps after the treatment, eventually they fell of and underneather was all heale
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Post by wdf on Jun 1, 2009 11:43:42 GMT -1
what do you mean about the sarcoid changing with treatment?? Im not really sure but from descriptions ive read they become more pronounced off the skin until the root is visable and then they fall off, others have said that there's shrunk until UNvisable so i assume it depends on the animal |
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i initially thought they were bites but 3 weeks later and their still there but there's no change in them. When i had the vet out to Sian for the Dectomax jab i got her to have a quick look at him and she said not to worry and to keep an eye on them and to start him on Global herbs "Sarc X", she noticed I'd got some Camarosa and said to put that on too.
