Chestnut free?

[cassey1988]

As far as I know, the chestnut gene (e) is not present at all in (today's) Dales Ponies?
I stated this on the Dutch horse forum, but someone said that it does still exist in bloodlines today.

Anyone know?

[Fi]

I assumed that and surely if it was present we'd've seen a chestnut pony by now?

Someone did once tell me about a chestnut Fell pony in Northern Europe somewhere, but I googled it and couldn't find any mention of it. In a gene pool of black horses, I'd've thought a chestnut would make headlines! lol

[cassey1988]

That's what I thought! Loads of Dales have been tested, and I never heard of any coming back as Ee?

This person said that chestnut foals are simply left out of the studbooks, but our world is so small we should at least KNOW about such a foal!

I wonder: if chestnut did exist in Dales, would it be a 'forbidden' colour? I doubt it, since we allow bay/seal brown, grey, roan, black. So why exclude chestnut?

[mickey]

I'm pretty sure the chestnut gene isn't found in dales ponies

[cassey1988]

Thanks for both your replies.

Anyone else?

[cassey1988]

Now this lady personally encountered a chestnut Dales some 40 years ago, he had English documents (duh). Now I asked her if she's sure both parents are 100% Dales, and if she remembers a name or at least a prefix.
This could be interesting.

[joashby]

Chestnut ponies would not be accepted for registration, as its not a colour within the breed standard. We did turn a chestnut stallion down at licensing - he had been registered as brown as a foal - pony was foaled in 1986, and had black sire & dam.

[cassey1988]

Thank for replying, Jo. Do you know of any Ee ponies that exist today? And I wonder if a pony turned out to be Ee, would it be desirable to breed with that pony?

[heathera]

I would imagine there could be a few Ee floating about from the when the breeding up was done a while ago now. As Jo says though, none would be accepted for registration so the incidences of Ee in the breed will slowly die out.

I see no reason not to breed from an Ee stallion in the same way people should still use FIS carriers as breeding stock. Not sure that view would be shared by proper breeders though rather than hobby breeders like me.

[cassey1988]

New info: this chestnut Dales (remember, some 40 yrs ago) was born in Australia, out of a mare imported from England.
He had papers, so maybe he was also wrongfully registered as brown.

[Minnie]

Sept 25, 2012 8:50:39 GMT -1 heathera said:

I see no reason not to breed from an Ee stallion in the same way people should still use FIS carriers as breeding stock.

As of May this year, colts that are certified FIS carriers are no longer eligible to become fully licensed stallions. Current stallions are not effected by these alterations. Going off topic slightly

[cadeby]

A chestnut PERCHERON foal cropped up a few years ago. The Percheron breed standard only allows black and grey. It was a cracking foal but obviously could not be registered.

The breeder always denied slipping "something extra" into the mix. It certainly livened up the dinner-table conversation after a slightly dull AGM

[valerie n scout]

I knew a guy who was desparate to "breed" a chestnut Fell....said it would be worth a fortune mmm perhaps not

[cassey1988]

Sept 25, 2012 19:15:46 GMT -1 valerie n scout said:

I knew a guy who was desparate to "breed" a chestnut Fell....said it would be worth a fortune mmm perhaps not

Yeah, I'm gonna breed chestnut Dales Ponies and become a millionair and let y'all eat your hearts out!