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Post by khristyne on Aug 31, 2007 9:22:15 GMT -1
Bridget has developed a sarcoid on her eyelid, about the size of a large marrowfat pea. it doesnt bother her. the only thing is she keeps knocking it and making it bleed. everytime she knocks it, it grows some more!
the vet is getting a second opinion but the treatment is going to be very expensive. irradiated gold wires at liverpool university seems to be the best bet. or bcg vaccine injected under it.
I have rung ainsworth homeopathic pharmacy today and spoken to their horse specialist.
spent £40 on remedies and might as well give it a go. Does anyone else have experience of this? Not sure what to think really, I cant get my head round homeopathy, the brain says nonsense, but the heart wants it to work.
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Post by harveydales on Aug 31, 2007 11:31:52 GMT -1
Poor Bridget! I think sarcoids on the eylid are more of a worry and I have read about different treatments for the eyelid ones than for other areas. I'm sure I've also read that the 2 treatments you've mentioned are the only conventional ones for eyelid sarcoids.
Quest had a sarcoid between his hind legs many, many years ago and I tried homeopathic remedies (thuja) - I also had mixed feelings but felt it couldn't do any harm. His sarcoid suddenly grew bigger 10 days into the teatment and must have become itchy because one day he stuck his head between his legs and bit at it. The whole sarcoid popped out (it had a huge root) and left no visible outward sign. The sarcoid never came back. I don't know if it was coincidense or whether the homeopathy helped.
Harvey had a sarcoid on his sheath - just a tiny one. My vet told me to use normal human wart cream and if it didn't work, he would freeze it off. The wart cream seemed to work but the sarcoid came back the following year. I retreated it and it never came back.
I am convinced that these sarcoids grow/appear more when horses are under stress. Now both Harvey and Quest are not travelling/competing etc the sarcoid problem has gone. I know they are viral and probably spread to susceptible horses by flies but stress and the immune system status play a big part imo.
However, with Bridget's being on her eyelid I think you must be more cautious. The homeopathy can't hurt but if the sarcoid is bleeding from time to time I would tend to go with the conventional treatment. A difficult decision - poor Bridget.
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Post by SuzieP on Aug 31, 2007 19:49:22 GMT -1
I'd be very interested to hear how the homeopathy treatment goes, khristyne. I didn't know that Ainsworth's had a horse specialist.
I've been giving Bea ruta to help heal his fetlock - we may never know if it's the remedies that cure, but they can't do any harm.
Pam - I'm not surprised to hear that the sacoid got bigger while you were using homeopathic treatment. I've a friend who is a qualified homeopath - I'll mention it to her and see what her reaction is.
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Post by harveydales on Sept 1, 2007 5:53:53 GMT -1
Yes Sue, I was told that was the expected result. I was in contact with a homeopathic vet at the time and he got quite excited that Quest reacted so well and so quickly. But he is such a sensitive horse in every way so I wasn't suprised. I will never really know if it was the homeopathic treatment or just coinsidense though.
It gave me quite a shock when this huge sarcoid flew across the stable - really gross! It was the "encapsulated" type of sarcoid which are not such a problem. I don't know whether the other forms of sarcoid would react quite so well to homeopathic treatment?
This has made me think I should try homeopathy for Quest's current lami/foot/sensitivity problems.
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Post by SuzieP on Sept 1, 2007 7:11:12 GMT -1
It's worth a try, Pam. It can't hurt him. Homeopathy is a complete mystery to me, it defies scientific explanation (although homeopaths do try). As a scientist, so you understand the concept?
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Post by bevbob on Sept 1, 2007 7:28:05 GMT -1
I havent personal experience of sarcoid/homeopathy but a friends horse had them under his belly and on his sheath and she tried sarcX which didnt do a d**n thing then she got some homeopathy cream and crystals and it did the trick! 100%
Iv had a good response with homeopathy stuff for Bobs in the past so it definately is worth trying.
LOL, I think like that Sue, it certainly is a mystery? I quite like the.......are you a cold person or hot? are you thick set or lean? haha! I was answering them for Bobs and he was definately thick set! It bloomin worked on his dry sores behind his knees though and Id tried everything from hibiscrubing every night and drying off, excema cream, fungus wash, tea tree stuff...... then in a few weeks of giving him graphites it completely vanished! magic!
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Post by Debbie on Sept 1, 2007 12:17:25 GMT -1
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Post by khristyne on Sept 2, 2007 8:52:49 GMT -1
The name of the horse specialist at Ainsworths is dorothy. She is a bit brusque but hopefully she knows what she is doing.
I have since discovered that my vet practice employs a vet who is also a fully quallified homeopath. I think I will have a chat with her as well. she is coming out at the end of the month to see a horse with epilepsy that hasnt fitted for months and months since treatment started. Mind you they have also moved yards and we have never had the fields sprayed so it could be that!!
off to give her midday calandula for healing the wound now!!
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Post by Rowndan on Sept 6, 2007 11:32:19 GMT -1
Dan had a sarciod removed 2 years ago, it was on his tummy right where the girth lies. i had it frozen of by my old vet but the scab just fell of and it was still there, then i had the liverpool cream put on it, horrible stuff it must have really hurt dan as he was climing the walls!! that worked and it has now gone.
but he has 2 more on the whorls at the top of his front legs and im putting multicare cut heal on them to keep the flies of that has definatly made them smaller and much less angry. my very handsome new vet said about using liverpool cream again but if it hurt him he want to see how we go with just the multicare for 12 months.
i believe its a stress thing to as dan got all his when we lived in crewe and neither of us really settled on yards for one thing or another. im hoping now hes happier where we are they night start to settle down.
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Post by Debbie on Sept 6, 2007 22:23:02 GMT -1
I shouldn't doubt its stress triggered if its viral in nature ( just think 'cold sores' in humans  ) How's Bridgette doing??  Tell FooFoo to kick in with some bunny hugs  |
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Post by khristyne on Sept 16, 2007 16:16:27 GMT -1
Well we are 2 weeks in now and nothing startlingly different. It may be slightly flatter and less red, Some days I am sure it is better and others I am not so sure. It might be wishful thinking of course!
It sort of peels of layers like an onion and each time the top gets knocked off it seems sl flatter. Time will tell.
Her wound is fabulous however, some day when I can get the picture off the phone I will do the before and after piccies!! What was once a nine inch gaping wound with drains down to the bone is now a tiny thin line about 3 in long and almost invisible unless you are looking for it. She still has some scar tissue under the wound that needs to resolve, but I am stunned at her powers of healing, and so is the vet.
I just wish she would concentrate on the sarcoid now!!! ;D
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Post by harveydales on Sept 16, 2007 19:41:38 GMT -1
That's wonderful news about the wound healing so well!
Are you treating the sarcoid homeopathically at the moment then?
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Post by Debbie on Sept 16, 2007 21:40:15 GMT -1
Wow!!! I should think the wound healing would be more important currently, but even the sarcoid sounds like its getting smaller and smaller. Fingers crossed both resolve quickly with nary a scar to be seen  |
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Post by khristyne on Sept 17, 2007 10:13:58 GMT -1
yes I have used calendula 30 for the wound 3x daily. to be honest i cant remember the names of the others, something like carciniunm. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2007 20:53:40 GMT -1
Hi, really glad to hear that its clearing up, Sarcoids are really horrible.
My horse had a sarcoid on his sheath two years ago - I used global herbs and thuja which cleared it up in about three/four weeks! One vet insisted that Liverpool cream was the only way to go, another vet suggested thuja and immunity boost herbs - more effective and cheaper too.
It got alot worse before it got better and did lots and lots of bleeding, which was very worrying but apparently normal then it just vanished one day.
I also gave him loads of garlic and took him on lots of walks and let him graze in different places. I read somewhere that a change in grazing can actually shift sarcoids asd the horse will eat a wider variety and quality of forage.
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) How's Bridgette doing?? 
